Tool book of a Nuremberg knight from 1505

(loeffelholz-codex.org)

58 points | by edwardog 1 hour ago

9 comments

  • BlackRabbit1 35 minutes ago
    The entire website looks heavily LLM written/analyzed - and I'm not talking of the design which I'm fine with.

    This devalues the scientific value a lot because every line must be checked for correctness and source.

    The book itself is very beautiful and I'm thankful for the high quality pictures.

    • amelung 4 minutes ago
      OTOH, it also seems to draw much from https://kdih.badw.de/datenbank/handschrift/49a/4/1 according to the information on "Sources", which sounds genuine.
    • moffers 20 minutes ago
      The author says in the introduction that a certain amount of the book is verified. Presence of LLM-use doesn’t inherently make something of less value.
      • gradus_ad 12 minutes ago
        The problem with AI generated content is, it tells me you didn't care enough about the work to do it yourself. To understand it fully, to the point where you don't need or even want to hand the work off to an LLM.

        Interacting with AI content makes me feel like I'm consuming something that was created purely for engagement farming. Not that human created content wasn't for engagement farming, but noticing an AI tell breaks the suspension of disbelief in a way. It devalues the relationship between creator and consumer, so that genuine care is not being shared. It's like I'm a cow being milked on an industrial engagement farm.

      • lionkor 12 minutes ago
        OBVIOUS presence of LLM-use devalues something to the point that you have to wonder why a human is in the loop at all
      • lelandfe 9 minutes ago
        Is the author qualified to verify this book?
    • vehemenz 20 minutes ago
      There are, in fact, countless late medieval manuscripts just like this one. LLMs have been trained on many of them.

      What scientific value are you looking for?

    • katzenq 23 minutes ago
      I at least appreciate the warning on unreviewed generated pages and excluding them from SEO until reviewed, but it's still all untrustworthy spam by default.
    • FoundTheRetard 30 minutes ago
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  • Gabriel54 9 minutes ago
    I am very happy to see people make use of AI to do previously impractical work, but the quality of writing on this page sounds like a poorly written middle school research paper.

    > Not a diary, not a family chronicle - a tool book.

    > As reliable as it says on each page - no more and no less.

    > Pages without a special note have been editorially reviewed: carefully checked and corrected.

    This sounds like an extremely interesting topic but the lack of care in the presentation is disappointing.

    • shevy-java 0 minutes ago
      > the quality of writing on this page sounds like a poorly written middle school research paper.

      But that is typical AI quality. It is a fancified Babelfish 2.0 translator.

      Some humans also use AI to "interact" with other humans. They don't seem to understand that this is a problem for some humans. When a human AI slops me, I stop all any every further interaction (assuming I can find out that this human did so. It is not always possible to find that out).

  • giantfrog 0 minutes ago
    Imagine going to a history museum and there’s a sign outside that says “Some of the information here is totally made up”
  • peri-cl 35 minutes ago
    https://loeffelholz-codex.org/en/codex/f076r.html

    Reading this in between studying information theory makes a good laugh. This is the most inefficient code I've ever heard of. It's basically unary.

    (For background, the first popular optical telegraph wasn't created until ~300 years later, and used 98 visually-distinct coding symbols).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappe_telegraph#Coding_and_de...

  • WillAdams 43 minutes ago
    An early project on my CNC machine was a basic set of inside/outside calipers:

    https://community.carbide3d.com/t/locking-register-calipers-...

    It would be interesting to see what would be involved in making the digital files which would allow re-creating each of these objects.

  • kreyenborgi 57 minutes ago
    Would be interesting, but the ai images and writing makes me trust it less.
  • shevy-java 2 minutes ago
    The knights did not have to deal with AI back then. It must have been a simpler life.
  • PgThePedo 17 minutes ago
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