'Neanderthals Among Us' review

(historytoday.com)

29 points | by pepys 23 hours ago

9 comments

  • bwnkl 50 minutes ago
    > for example the 2026 discovery that interbreeding was predominantly between Neanderthal males and human females, and not between Neanderthal females and human males.

    I thought this was an interesting detail in the article, and trying to find out more about a possible reason for this discrepancy, I found a recent paper concluding that this was possibly due to mate preference [1]. Neanderthal dudes were smoking hot!

    [1]: https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aea6774

  • riffraff 13 minutes ago
    > In the 1990s hair-dragging rape scenes in the Clan of the Cave Bear novels (20 million copies sold by 1990) caused the books to be banned from American public libraries.

    I think I read this book in the 90s and yes, there's a rape (maybe more?) but it's an exception as the neanderthals are generally shown as relatively "civilized", not as brutes. : the raped sapiens was actually saved as a child by the neanderthals. And there's no hair dragging scene I remember.

    But it's been so long ago, I may misremember.

  • SecuredMarvin 48 minutes ago
    Dig into the words Homo neanderthalensis and you get “the man from the valley of the new man” - a wonderfully ironic name for an extinct human.
  • ericmcer 35 minutes ago
    The Neanderthal extinction always made me think that erasure of races in our modern times will follow a similar pattern. People think of the Native Americans as getting wiped out by disease/violence over a few years, but their ultimate end (and every other races end) probably will be similar to Neanderthals: slowly getting bred out of existence until finding someone with >2% DNA is a novelty. Same thing will probably happen to any smaller populations as globalization/interbreeding means massive populations like China/India will end up being the majority of the DNA.
    • ricksunny 27 minutes ago
      Yes but draw an arbitrary line around any group. Call them HMdrathals if you want.Define them at one instaneous snapshot in time as 100% conserved gene corpus. Then watch generation after generation, as some of the HNers, (against all odds, interbreed with the surrounding populace. After one hundred generations, should we expect many people to be more than 2% HNdrathal? Did the HNdrathals ‘die out’?
      • delichon 14 minutes ago
        Careful, HNers are a population with a history of trauma associated with unclosed parentheses. By raising our cortisol levels you may be lowering our fertility rate by exposing us to them.
      • howunfortunate 24 minutes ago
        Ok. but ancestral groups are in no way "arbitrary" when it comes to DNA. So what's your point?
  • Gagarin1917 37 minutes ago
    I thought this was a new twist on the popular online game
  • AndrewKemendo 48 minutes ago
    Sahlins is one of the GOATS of modern anthropology

    Stone Age Economics will change your life if you’re new to anthropology and think the modern society is representative of our social lineage….rather than us living in an extremely new, completely alien context, for a 250,000 year old animal

    • johnkozak 7 minutes ago
      That was father Marshall Sahlins, who I agree was one of the greats.
  • pfdietz 1 hour ago
    Is there a replacement now for 23andMe?
  • Razengan 1 hour ago
    When the mammoth is sus.
  • otterdude 53 minutes ago
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    • bwnkl 46 minutes ago
      Obvious rage bait aside, this is exactly what the author of the book presented in the article cautions against:

      > The Neanderthal genome, he warns, remains ‘something of a Rorschach test onto which people project ideas and assumptions about ancestry and what it means to be human – or differently human’.

      Maybe read an article before commenting on it.